Jules & Myrtle

The Dagga Couple : First Ever Legal Battle For Re-Legalization of Cannabis in SA

Posted by Buzz in Legalisation on 30th August 2011

It’s the middle of a cold winter night. You’re tightly tucked into bed, dreaming or lost in space and time. Not a worry in the world.

BAM! Dogs barking, flashlights, cops, big guns, sniffer dogs…. shouting, lots of shouting. You can’t tell left from right and there’s a big cop with a big gun demanding to know where your stash is, “Where are the drugs!”

This is a reality we all face. We are criminals. Not because it makes sense, but because the law says so. Not a substantiated logical law, just one that’s there. A reality that affects us all, whatever your reason for sparking up, the law sees you as a bad guy. A reality Jules and Myrtle have recently had to face.

Jules & Myrtle

Jules & Myrtle (aka. The Dagga Couple)

Having the cops raid the house, while they are dazed and confused, clad in pyjamas and trying to explain that “There is no lab”, “It doesn’t grow in winter”. Being unceremoniously dragged to the Muldersdrift police station and then not really knowing what to make of it all. What to do next?

Sitting down with Jules and Myrtle at their place, the Jazzfarm in Lanseria, on a sunny Saturday afternoon leaves me throwing the occasional look over my shoulder for a cop at the gate. Fortunately the cops haven’t been hanging around since the bust. You would in fact think that it’s just another day for them. But it’s not. Jules and Myrtle have made a valiant stand and are taking the criminalization of dagga to the constitutional court, head on; the first ever legal challenge for the re-legalization of Cannabis in South Africa. There case has already set new precedents with regards to being prosecuted for the possession of dagga and the prosecution of many is now standing by to see what direction their case takes. There is very little that I can say about them that they haven’t already been able to articulate for themselves. So I’ll quote a bit from their website:

THE REASONS WE WANT THIS MATTER TO BE HEARD IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL COURT:

  • The South African legal system is sufficiently corrupt that we had the option to pay a large sum of money for our case to “disappear”. After our experience at the hands of the police we are not prepared to just pay our way out of this. Corrupt behaviour will ensure that the police will be breaking down our gate sometime in the future.
  • We wish to demonstrate the ignorance at all levels of law enforcement when it comes to the prohibition of Dagga.
  • We will provide evidence that the laws prohibiting the use of Dagga in South Africa have their origins in the racist colonial laws of the early 20th century. These laws are also dictated by international statutes based on propaganda in the United States and have no bearing on our local culture.
  • The enforcement of the prohibition of Dagga costs the South African taxpayer millions every year. These resources could be utilised in a more efficient manner & the re-legalisation of dagga would pave the way for the development of the hemp (which is also the Dagga plant) industry, which would create jobs in the agriculture, bio fuel, textile & medical industries.
  • Our Human Rights have been violated by a law that is unjust & irrational, not supported by any empirical evidence & outdated. The punishment far outweighs the “crime”. Smoking Dagga is a “victimless crime” and should not be seen as a crime at all.
  • We reserve the right to smoke whatever we want in the privacy of our own property, with whom we wish. We are not harming anybody & no government has the right to treat us, the tax payers, like criminals.
  • The prohibition of Dagga leads to organised crime. This is fact and is supported by extensive research, both locally & internationally. Because the makers of the law have been informed by propaganda that is blatantly incorrect, organised crime surrounding the growing & marketing of Dagga is a major problem in South Africa.
  • We reserve the right to self medicate. We are both very healthy individuals and we believe that our daily use of Dagga contributes to our healthy immune systems. Dagga has been used as a medication for thousands of years.
  • We both contribute in significant ways to the society around us and, far from impairing our abilities, we believe that our use of Dagga contributes to this being so.
  • We propose that the law prohibiting the use of Dagga in South Africa is based on propaganda and hearsay, based on protecting the industries that benefit from its prohibition and not based on protecting its citizens.
  • In short, the prohibition of Dagga is unscientific, irrational & wrong.

What I found most striking is that Jules and Myrtle are pretty regular folk, just like you and I. Living their lives as individuals while being productive and constructive members of society. If anything, they are breaking away from the “Stoner” image and presenting the courts with two healthy middle aged people who have not gone mad or lost themselves to dagga.

Talking about the night that they were bust echoes of something you would expect to hear about for the arrest of a murderer who is armed to the teeth, just fresh of a killing spree. Surprisingly, there is no talk of “Pigs”, “Fuzz” or “F@cken bastards”. As Jules puts it “They we just doing their jobs”. Who then are the actual bad guys here? The cops for doing their job? Jules and Myrtle for being persecuted based on outdated and racist laws? Or is it really just a vicious cycle where there are no good guys or bad guys, just a broken system that needs to be fixed. Not that it ever worked.

Beneath their casual surface, there is a fire and passion to freeing this wonderful herb for all. Myrtle injects a firm “It should be available to everyone”, as the conversation treads into the “who gets access and who doesn’t” territory.

The conversation steers back to the court case. I can’t help but ask if they have received a flurry of hate mail or has there been much resistance from the court system? A simple answer of “What resistance” from Jules is not what I expect. Is this going to be a cakewalk for them?

Sadly, it won’t be. They have stood up for the rights of millions of innocent South Africans (including you and I) and as such, the court case may cost just that. The minimum bar is set at a “million rand” so far. I spend lots of time working with attorneys and have no doubt that this is what the cost of our freedom may be. They have put their very futures on the line.

Reflecting back on what lead the cops to their door, they told me about “Someone we know had taken the easy root when being bust and offered us up to the cops”. You would think that being ratted out and having their lives turned upside down should leave deep bitter feelings toward the ratter. This couldn’t be further from the truth. If anything Jules and Myrtle have embraced the outcome of being bust. Seeing it for the opportunity it is and not begrudging the snitch in the slightest. Something that many, including myself, would probably not be able to do.

Personally, I am glad that Jules and Myrtle have shown the fibre to stand up and speak out against the oppression of not just themselves, but also for the millions of other innocent South Africans out there who are being tarred with the same brush. That same brush that brands us all as criminals, irrespective of our reasons or motives for smoking dagga. The only victims in this victimless “crime” are us.

They have caught the eye and the imagination of the cannabis community and various pillars of the community are engaging. Hopefully to represent a united front for what we all want… Access to a plant that has the potential to change the world for the better.

Sitting amongst the two long terms tokers, I get the feeling that this is the beginning of the end for dagga prohibition. For decades the truth has been obvious. “There is no Reefer Madness, there never was”.

In summary, they believe that dagga should be available to all with the opportunity for us to make the most of all its beneficial aspects, from rope to dope.

They are South Africans, fighting against the war on dagga in a South African context. So the next time you need to score with one eye over your shoulder checking for cops; spare a thought for The Dagga Couple and maybe buy once less bankie because you’re going send some cash their way, so that their stash jar doesn’t run dry. They could really use your support to take this the distance. I’ve set up my debit order to help pay towards the legal costs of what is also my fight, and will one day look back on it as my contribution to a cause that is very close to my heart. Besides, I’m tired of nearly sh1tting myself at road blocks!

Oh yeah, Jules and Myrtles favourite strain? Unanimously it’s “Super Congo”!

Visit the Dagga Couple at www.daggacouple.co.za, or checkout their Facebook page to find out more details about how they are fighting the good fight and the progress of the trial.

Listen to their radio interview on Jacaranda below:

Jules & Myrtle Talk Cannabis Legalization In South Africa – JFM 26July2011 by thejazzfarm

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  • http://www.weed.co.za lowrider

    Lovely article Buzz, lovely people and great times ahead for dagga roekers.

  • PowerPuff

    Viva ganja!

  • Van Wijk

    High five to those two!

  • Van Wijk

    High five to those two! Thanx for for a great article.

  • PowerPuff

    I want to send cash…..how do I if I don’t have a credit card? Ill give as much as I can and do whatever I can. But I need to know what exactly I can do to help?

  • mant

    @powerpuff – i think the banking details are on their site so you could probably do a deposit?

    @buzz – great article man!!!!!

  • adrian

    I hate the word DAGGA and MARIJUANA, its the same to me as calling someone a racist name. Cannabis is a plant, this radio host clearly has’nt smoked DAGGA before but good on them for interviewing the couple

  • Seanel

    Haha goodluck, hope you get somewhere with this but doubt it. The government definitely knows that it SHOULD be legal, but they’d lose too much money if it were legalized…

  • Buzz

    usertest1 said:
    I hate the word DAGGA and MARIJUANA, its the same to me as calling someone a racist name. Cannabis is a plant, this radio host clearly has’nt smoked DAGGA before but good on them for interviewing the couple

    Also hate the word dagga, but is the one word we all understand no matter what type of South Africans we are. From the Sandton crowd to the young goat herder in the middle of nowhere.
    The thing that most surprised me about the radio interview was that not one of the callers was anti-marijuana.

  • Buzz

    Also rate that goverments must have their reasons for not legalizing, but unless we take the argument to them and have our day in court, the tail will continue to wag the dog.

  • Mr.Valentine

    This Steve Hamilton is the result of numerous other illegal drugs and he only helps the dagga couple’s case by saying that they will open the gates of hell. By showing his complete ignorance and I can say for a fact that if he had just been smoking Marijuana, his opinion would have been hugely different today than of what it is now.

  • PowerPuff

    Steve hamilton is a pathetic addict…why feel sympathy for a moron that does heroin and sucks dudes off for crank. He never smoked much weed in his life…he was part of the “dagga is gagga drink brandewyn” crowd….I’ve met him spoken to him and so have many of my friends…he’s arrogant and thinks because he put himself through that shit he knows more about life than anyone…he’s sad. (Sorry about the rant I just can’t stand this guy)

  • PowerPuff

    And happy 4 20

  • Mr.Valentine

    I appreciate the rant,at least someone else can identify a wanker when they see one.

  • vic

    Mr.Valentine said:
    This Steve Hamilton is the result of numerous other illegal drugs and he only helps the dagga couple’s case by saying that they will open the gates of hell. By showing his complete ignorance and I can say for a fact that if he had just been smoking Marijuana, his opinion would have been hugely different today than of what it is now.

    Agreed, he went through what he did because he is the way he is, take cannabis out of the equation and he would have sniffed glue instead on his way to crack, etc.

    Predictably enough in the radio podcast he doesn’t give them a chance to respond, just rants on and on.

    All he brought to the table was lame anecdotes about C-max and the cape flats with absolutely no proof that MJ can cause any damage.

  • Romance

    very good link buzz :) thanks

  • http://www.daggacouple.co.za jules

    Hey Adrian
    Thanks for your comment. If you head on over to our website you;ll see a page on the history of the word Dagga. Proudly A may bru, what can I say? Keepin igt all in a SA context..keep it irie!
    Jules DCouple

  • http://www.daggacouple.co.za myrtle

    Hey Buzz and the dudes… thanks for a great article. We had an interesting meeting with the bigshot law dudes yesterday and it became clear that large scale civic action is necessary to go with the case. We were warned that there will be TONS of opposition to the case but we also look at all the support we are getting and this gives us hope that we are not just completely bonkers to take on the system. Huge thanks and free hugs for the support, be sure to keep in contact on our site, fb, twitter & in the ether! Myrtle ‘n Jules x

  • PowerPuff

    You guys are fighting a fight we should all be fighting I salute you!

  • Hein

    MUCH RESPECT to you guys. It always gets worse before it gets better. No matter what the outcome, this stand will be cemented in history. The “fight” has started and we are all behind you.

  • twitch

    I almost feel ashamed that these two are fighting so hard while we can only watch.

    I wish you two the best of luck!

  • http://www.weed.co.za lowrider

    I almost feel ashamed that these two are fighting so hard while we can only watch.

    We really cant afford to sit and watch this. We all need to do something, this couple potentially can change this for all of us, so think of anyway you can support, spread the news….

  • Buzz

    Hear, hear… spread the word! This is a fight for everysingle MJ consumer in South Africa. There are millions of us, most who don’t have access to the web. Let’s do everything we can to get the word out. SMS, twitter, word of mouth, whatever… let’s tell the nation that there is a cause that needs their support.

  • CurvedInsight

    lowrider said:
    Lovely article Buzz, lovely people and great times ahead for dagga roekers.

    guess someone who pretends to be holier than others likes the word DAGGA, lol out of all the peeps this thing uses the rawest word, the more i see the posts from him the more i think he is hidin behind the fights/forums etc just to smoke pot, i respect herb and know more than u but u jump around forums like u the jesus of herb ? haha, anyhow i wont give these people cash, they took a risk and fucked up, their prob not mine, give them all the cash u want, wont change a fucking thing :) 2 people are gonna change what South africans havent in 50years? lol at u hopeful people seriously, WAKE UP and smell reality not hopes.!!

  • CurvedInsight

    Having the cops raid the house, while they are dazed and confused, clad in pyjamas and trying to explain that “There is no lab”, “It doesn’t grow in winter”.

    uhmmm … doesnt grow in winter? they really think that stupid excuse is gonna work? obviously not lol otherwise no article/police/court haha, intelligent couple, maybe puffin to much “dagga” hey lowrider. :) This couple got burnt , im not giving them a plaster, they arent children.

  • Buzz

    CurvedInsight said:
    guess someone who pretends to be holier than others likes the word DAGGA, lol out of all the peeps this thing uses the rawest word, the more i see the posts from him the more i think he is hidin behind the fights/forums etc just to smoke pot, i respect herb and know more than u but u jump around forums like u the jesus of herb ? haha, anyhow i wont give these people cash, they took a risk and fucked up, their prob not mine, give them all the cash u want, wont change a fucking thing :) 2 people are gonna change what South africans havent in 50years? lol at u hopeful people seriously, WAKE UP and smell reality not hopes.!!

    I pity you and won’t lower myself to your level.

  • CurvedInsight

    Buzz said:
    I pity you and won’t lower myself to your level.

    oh cause im not a sheep and have a brain to choose a different direction for better reasons?
    no problem dont reply. and its higher yourself, not lower :) – true story

  • Van Wijk

    CurvedInsight said:
    oh cause im not a sheep and have a brain to choose a different direction for better reasons?
    no problem dont reply. and its higher yourself, not lower :) – true story

    Shame man, you are one miserable doos.

  • Buzz

    P.S. CI: I’m not the Messiah, I’m a very naughty boy.

  • Izakimak

    Back to the topic at hand, best of luck to these people in fighting the good fight. People disagree and agree, leave them be if they do not want to help the cause.
    Spread the word!

  • vic

    Mr.Valentine said:
    It’s people like you that bring the peoples hopes down and it’s people like you that are the ones responsible for many battles lost,one of the greatest weapons is moral and you sir are not helping this cause so please if you are just going to respond in such a manner rather don’t respond at all. Thank You.

    Indeed, well put!

  • gNOME

    curved stop being a bitch give all the seport you can to the ppl thats trying to give you a better tomorrow if it is not won atleast the ground work would have set to pick up the fight agen

  • envee

    dig the article, so happy to see and read this. definately gonna support this as much as i can, but im not liking that the currencies are in USD, i mean yeah, i can convert it and do the maths, but i would definately prefer to see the whole thing be in ZAR, especially if this is a SA case. also, doesnt PAYPAL usually offer to have money deducted off one’s airtime? not finding this option on the site.
    R 1 000 000 hey? thats quite a fat one. lets make it happen. too lazy to go find a date now but until whenish would these funds have needed to be raised?
    peace love joy

  • envee

    dig the article, so happy to see and read this. definately gonna support this as much as i can, but im not liking that the currencies are in USD, i mean yeah, i can convert it and do the maths, but i would definately prefer to see the whole thing be in ZAR, especially if this is a SA case. also, doesnt PAYPAL usually offer to have money deducted off one’s airtime? not finding this option on the site.
    R 1 000 000 hey? thats quite a fat one. lets make it happen. too lazy to go find a date now but until whenish would these funds have needed to be raised?
    peace love joy

  • https://btl.co.za/author/admin/ Sticky Scissors

    Big ups Jules and Myrtle!

  • Princess Puff

    Good piece!!!
    All the best to the Dagga Couple!

  • Aegenroth

    Fantastic! Every single Cannabis user should do their very best to help them out, I mean THEY stand up for OUR rights?!
    Big up to the Dagga Couple!

  • Aegenroth

    CurvedInsight said:
    guess someone who pretends to be holier than others likes the word DAGGA, lol out of all the peeps this thing uses the rawest word, the more i see the posts from him the more i think he is hidin behind the fights/forums etc just to smoke pot, i respect herb and know more than u but u jump around forums like u the jesus of herb ? haha, anyhow i wont give these people cash, they took a risk and fucked up, their prob not mine, give them all the cash u want, wont change a fucking thing :) 2 people are gonna change what South africans havent in 50years? lol at u hopeful people seriously, WAKE UP and smell reality not hopes.!!

    I just read this, sorry to bring it up again, but what a sad person?
    First of all, this is the first radical step toward the Constitutional Court.
    Secondly, times have changed, the government has become more lenient toward dagga.
    Thirdly, why are you ranting like this????
    Live and let live, don’t fight like this in a forum, you look like a twat.

    Lastly, unrelated to my rant, I think a fundraiser is in order, I mean, if they need a million, I’m sure the dagga community can come up with it one way or the other. Just watch Half Baked.

  • HowRude

    I’m giving all the money I can spare, but if they screw up case law will chow future cases.
    I hope they got some crazy lawyers, but I doubt it sadly

  • Aegenroth

    Haha, yeah I guess you’re right Mr.Valentine.
    @HowRude I read that their legal fees will be approx R1 million. They must have DAMN crazy lawyers! Or so I hope in the least.

  • Lucas

    I have been a user for a good long time now and me and a friend have very similar views as JULES & MYRTLE. I want to on behalf of my friend and from me say congratulations to you and I hope to very shortly light a bowl with my fellow South Africans, this is a beautiful country and I see no reason why it should destroy itself in passing of laws that are based on lies. keep up the good work, please for a better future for all of us.

  • etok411

    Has anybody read J-Thangs smoke signals September newsletter about this? If so, what do you think about his story?

  • Buzz

    etok411 said:
    Has anybody read J-Thangs smoke signals September newsletter about this? If so, what do you think about his story?

    Just read it. Wish he would realise that we are all essentially on the same side and that he would stop painting BTL as a bad guy/oppossition.

    It is however good to have someone to play Devil’s Advocate with the case, as it opens us to the arguments we should anticipate. I am not legaly minded (only judge on right or wrong) and therefore won’t try to get into debating Justin’s views.

    Jules and Myrtle have made a stand and are leading the way! We can either:

    1 – Support them
    2 – Stand on the sideline and criticize them
    3 – Decide that they have already failed and take a swipe at everyone involved

    Generalizations are bad news and just as I don’t want to be generalised as a “Stoner” (dirty, lazy, stupid), I don’t think it’s correct for Justin to generalize about lawyers or politicians.
    If we are going to go into the debate with preconceptions, we are setting ourselves up for failure.

    Jules and Myrtle have my continued support and should their case possibly fail, I will look on it as I do everything else in my life… “I would rather regret the things that I have done, than regret the things that I haven’t done”.

    Sorry for the waffling;)

  • etok411

    I agree, i havnt read the whole story but i just wish he would help instead of looking like an opposition. I will still support this couple to, atleast they making an effort to help the situation

  • Aegenroth

    Agreed. I’m seen as a stoner anyway, and therefore a criminal (long hair in the Free State does that), therefore it’s difficult for me to disprove the stereotype and makes my job so much harder.
    That’s just one of the many reasons I’m cheering The Couple on. It would be fantastic not to be viewed as a criminal. Doubtless there would still be those who’s minds you just can’t change.
    I’ll still smoke bud, regardless of the legality of it. It would just give me peace of mind when I grow my babies.

  • JollyGreenGiant

    Aegenroth said:</

    Lastly, unrelated to my rant, I think a fundraiser is in order, I mean, if they need a million, I’m sure the dagga community can come up with it one way or the other. Just watch Half Baked.

    BTL trance party…!? All profits to the dagga couple…I’m sure many people would be keen to get involved in something like that…

    …Just an idea…

    Keep up the good fight guys!!

    Peace

  • http://www.weed.co.za lowrider

    Has anybody read J-Thangs smoke signals September newsletter about this? If so, what do you think about his story?

    Coming to it, I was quite shocked to read his rants and raves about Orgs he has not even met or dealt with. Its nice to be the devils advocate, but speak with truth in mind, show support where you can, give advice. Jules and Myrtle made the effort to go meet the man who was first on the cannabis scene, who is at the pinnacle of cannabis activism, I mean does this man actually proof read the bullshit he sends out. Anyway, cannabis life is an interesting journey, you come across lots of really interesting characters.

    Welcome to your September Newsletter. Your September edition of Smoke Signals, the official Cannabis Resistance newsletter, is now available for download in PDF format.

    In this issue, I am going to be discussing the dagga couples case. There are some things I agree with, some things I disagree with and would do differently.

    Also, I am going to be exposing the deception. This newsletter is not an attack against the dagga couple. It’s an attack against the 3 levels of governance, the media, the government (including their justice system) and the supposedly ‘pro’-Cannabis infiltration organisations. It’s a long newsletter so take some time out and read it carefully. I suggest printing it out. You will need to read the entire newsletter to understand what i am saying. One day, it may be you that needs to present your own defence. Learning from the mistakes of others will help you win. *WARNING* Truth about to be revealed! If you do not want to know the truth, stop reading now.

    I have been active in the Cannabis Resistance for over 14 years now. I did not get to the pinnacle of Cannabis activism by following the advice of lawyers, the government, the supposedly ‘pro’-Cannabis organisations or the masses. As the leading Cannabis Resistance organisation in South Africa, I feel it is important to highlight some of the issues.

    A number of years ago, I introduced South Africa to THE REPORT. CANNABIS: THE FACTS, HUMAN RIGHTS AND THE LAW, and the Human Rights Defence. Before then, not one single South African had ever successfully defended him or herself against a Cannabis charge. No one had even heard of Re-Legalisation and no one would have dared to stand up to the government over the issue. I was the first person to use THE REPORT in a South African court. I was the first individual in South Africa to legally challenge the constitutionality of Cannabis Prohibition in the constitutional court – Case number CCT 02/10. I was the first person to use the word ‘Re-Legalisation’ in a South African court. Before that, the organisations that claimed to be ‘pro’-Cannabis were silent and terrified of the government. Their advice was to admit guilt, cry like a baby in court and live in a state of HOPE that maybe one day, somewhere in a distant future, Cannabis could be decriminalised. What a joke! Grown men crying and whining like babies! That is why so many people today do not support these organisations and see through their taxation and control agenda.

    ENTER THE REPORT

    The brilliance, the ingeniousness and sublime excellence of THE REPORT and the Human Rights defence lay in the fact that it was a simple defence that any individual could conduct themselves to get their Cannabis charges dropped.

    THE REPORT: It was quick, cheap, and effective, there was no need for lawyers, it contained all the ‘experts’ as it was comprised of the official empirical studies into Cannabis herb and it had been used successfully in the U.K., Europe, U.S.A., Canada, South America, Austrailia and New Zealand. The government could not refute the facts nor defend against it. They dropped Cannabis cases like hot potatoes. Neither could the supposedly ‘pro’-Cannabis organisations refute its facts, even though they came out in their numbers and attacked THE REPORT every chance they got. Their attempts to attack it only reveal themselves as government infiltration/taxation organisations, as well as demonstrating the lunacy of their arguments that were totally based in opinion and government Propaganda, not empirical fact. In fact, they revealed their true sinister sides with their harmful regulations (like the adults only con that harms children). The government had failed to destroy THE REPORT, and their infiltration organisations had failed too.

    And now today we have the dagga couple.

    Lets start off by saying that the defence the dagga couple is using is NOT the same as the defence contained within THE REPORT. There are fundamental differences between THE REPORT and their lawyer-driven defence. It’s SO expensive and difficult (their defence) that it will scare off many Cannabis users which is nothing like the simple, cheap REPORT defence that any person can use without a lawyer. The dagga couple have made so many mistakes already. From using a lawyer (the biggest and worst mistake you could ever make), to including the SAMJ and NORML in their affidavit , and using the words ‘consenting adults’; all will combine into either a guaranteed lose of the case, or the introduction of a licensing/permit system with huge taxation. P.S. Including THE REPORT in their application but not as a signed affidavit is a result of the (bad) advice they received from their lawyers. That is because lawyers are legally not allowed to present THE REPORT, only individuals can. So the defence the couple is presenting is not THE REPORT or the defence I have been promoting for years. Its a lawyer defence.

    The dagga couple are also using the same group think mentality as those who talk about ‘a community of like-minded people’. The group will solve the problem. Cannabis smokers of South Africa unite! It’s Cannabis communism. (Communism is always about the group, not individuals standing up for their own individual Human Rights as THE REPORT suggests.) This has never worked before, so why will it work now? In fact, it has done the opposite. It has worked AGAINST Cannabis freedom.

    Currently, I do not believe the dagga couple can win their case, as it does not address the same issues THE REPORT does.

    The couple lack the understanding of how the government works (hence the reason they are trying to fight the government in a system the government owns and controls, instead of exposing and attacking that system). The government has already introduced new laws to Prohibit Cannabis so challenging the Drugs and Druk Trafficking Act is irrelevant.

    They lack the understanding of how to conduct a Human Rights defence (hence the reason they are using lawyers who are bound by other obligations and secret society rules and oaths, and not using THE REPORT, even though its a simple defence that anyone can do). The lawyers will just take their money.

    They lack the understanding of how psychopaths work to hijack movements for their own good at the expense of the dagga couple (hence the reason they are using THC experts from the SAMJ and the ‘pro’-Cannabis taxation and regulation organisation (NORML) who will just hijack the case to ensure only THEY get the Cannabis permits, not you, not the couple). This is a huge mistake.

    And they lack the understanding about the true safety and beneficial use of the Cannabis plant (hence their affidavit containing the words ‘consenting adults’) and them leaving out the Rights of traders to sell Cannabis.

    THERE IS ONLY ONE RE-LEGALISATION ORGANISATION IN SOUTH AFRICA, AND THAT IS JUSTIN BALLOT’S CANNABIS EMBASSY.

    I have also noticed how the supposedly ‘pro’-Cannabis infiltration organisations here in South Africa are fully supporting the dagga couple. Now I have exposed these infiltration organisations time and time again, so their synchronized, all in unison ‘support’ made me take serious notice, and you should too. Whenever these groups all mobilise at the same time, something is up.

    How come when I presented the Human Rights defence based on THE REPORT, they were totally against me, but when the dagga couple present their lawyer-based defence (NOT THE REPORT), they totally support it? Very strange, unless…

    Well as I said before, the defence that the dagga couple is presenting is NOT the same as the defence contained within THE REPORT. It is 100% different even though they are using a few words taken out of THE REPORT. They (the supposedly ‘pro’-Cannabis infiltration organisations) are supporting this case because they see it as an opportunity to destroy THE REPORT and to destroy Justin Ballot and destroy the Cannabis Resistance. But they have no chance of destroying the Resistance, THE REPORT or me. I already told you, you are way too predictable and boring. Everyone should be able to see through there guff by now (well except the brain-dead).

    These fake organisations also see it as a chance to hijack the case so they can suggest to the government (in court) that a taxation and regulation system should be introduced (with them issuing the very expensive permits of course – and trade permits only to themselves, not you).

    Only the government (through their fake Cannabis infiltration organisations) would ever call for more taxation, more bureaucracy more regulation, more police, more government, more permits, more licenses, more fees, more court, more lawyers etc (for Cannabis). Already, there are far too many people in all areas of government. Do you, the Cannabis user, grower or traded want a bigger nanny state, more taxes, more control, more expenses, more queue’s, more paperwork? Of course you don’t.

    The government is top heavy and becoming more and more control-freakish. These fake ‘pro’-Cannabis infiltration organisations that are promoting this are not friends of Cannabis. THEY ARE THE ENEMY. When are you going to realise this? Stop supporting them and start exposing them. Do you not understand that the problem IS the government, not the Cannabis laws? It’s a system you are fighting, a system of oppression against the people, not a law. So asking government (the problem) to change the laws or see your point of view is never going to happen. That is the definition of craziness.

    The dagga couple have no chance of winning this case with their lawyer-driven Human Rights application BECAUSE it is not based on THE REPORT. But when they lose, the supposedly ‘pro’-Cannabis organisations will say THE REPORT does not work, Justin Ballot was a liar and the Cannabis Resistance is dead, even though the dagga couple are not using THE REPORT. This is blatantly obvious for anyone who has eyes to see. It’s a classic old tactic, but they need to be more creative to beat us, the Cannabis Resistance.

    As you read through this newsletter, I will be showing you, with page or part numbers, why I say their defence is not a true Human Rights defence, its not a Re-Legalisation defence and its not based on THE REPORT. Don’t be fooled by the dagga couples (lawyers?) use of the same language I have used for the last few years. Semantics, linguistics and terminology are very important. If someone claims to be presenting a Human Rights defence, with Re-Legalisation as the goal but they are not doing it in the way THE REPORT says, not using THE REPORT as a signed affidavit or not using the definitions contained within THE REPORT, then it is NOT and can never be the Human Rights defence I have been promoting for years; the Human Rights defence based on THE REPORT. That is why the supposedly ‘pro’-Cannabis infiltration organisations are supporting the dagga couple, with all their anonymous avatars jumping on the bandwagon ‘donating money’. They know, like I know, like the government knows and like all of you will know after reading this newsletter that the dagga couple do not have a snowballs chance in hell of winning this.

    What about the government?

    The government is not worried about this case. They are just going to dust off the Gareth Prince case and use the same formula they used before. Either they will completely win the case, or they will introduce the worst kind of taxation and regulation system. In the newsletter you will see certain parts I refer to as the dagga coup.

    How the government will turn this into taxation and regulation? ***Dagga coup dangers***

    You will see the following message in purple that will indicate how the government is going to turn the dagga couples case into the dagga coup. By asking one simple question, the government will be able to convince the court that only taxation and regulation will do, and that legally the dagga couple have agreed because of the witnesses/experts/lawyers/case structure they have used. This is the greatest threat that the entire Cannabis-loving Resistance faces. Anyone who wants to run a defence against the government needs to be aware if this.

    And if that happens, it will be the end of Cannabis freedoms in South Africa. Prices will go through the roof, you will require a permit to smoke, and grow, only the government will be able to sell (at their extreme prices) and it will become illegal all over again. (Of course those who still maintain THE REPORT as their legal stance will not suffer from this.)

    Can the dagga couple get Cannabis Re-Legalised? No. That’s impossible.

    If the dagga couple ‘win’, it will mean a taxation and regulation system will be introduced, which is not a win at all. (It will be taxed and regulated out of your hands immediately.)

    The government have not been charged for their crimes against humanity, so they have nothing to worry about. In fact, just that alone shows that the dagga couple are not serious in their belief that Cannabis is harmless and the Prohibition laws are 100% completely unreasonable, unjustified and in violation of Human Rights. They are starting on the wrong foundation, and anything built on a faulty foundation will fall and collapse. They are like the 3 little pigs that built their house on the beach sand. THE REPORT is the rock. Now watch as the government huff’s and puff’s (well maybe not puff’s) as they blow this lawyer-constructed house of cards down.

    What it comes down to is the same thing everything comes down to: what do you believe? Do you believe a lawyer? Do you believe a lawyer can be an expert in presenting YOUR Human Rights defence when no lawyer from around the world has ever been able to present one successfully?(NOT ONE EVER!)

    Or do you believe that THE REPORT is irrefutable and has proven itself as it is based on the government actual empirical studies? (Its not opinion, its fact.) Do you believe that you do not have a guilty mind? Do you believe that the government cannot justify the laws? Historically speaking, it’s the people who have represented themselves using THE REPORT that have won Human Rights defences. Ultimately, it’s the difference between whether you believe in government and their law/legal system, or whether you believe in Cannabis and your individual Human Rights. They (the government) ALWAYS give you your leaders to follow. They understand your mentality too well. Notice how if you are for Cannabis, the ONLY organisations (that are interviewed, promoted, publicized etc) are the organisations that promote taxation and regulation. How come the media, the government, and the supposedly ‘pro’-Cannabis organisation never push THE REPORT and it’s definition of Re-Legalisation? So there is no choice given to you, the end user. Its always taxation and regulation – a government agenda. Your leaders are provided to you by the government, to fool, guide and control you.

    The dagga couple is not the one. This is not an attack against the dagga couple, its just me saying no to something that I personally do not believe in or trust, based on government history and from my studying of THE REPORT – a media run, mass supported, ‘pro’-Cannabis infiltration-group steered, lawyer driven, THC expert case of ‘Hope and Change’ that is nothing like the Human Rights defence contained within THE REPORT. I know how the government works and how they will twist their current case into a taxation and regulation case. I cannot sit back and allow anyone to claim that they are using THE REPORT Human Rights defence when they are using a lawyer defence, where the lawyers have not submitted THE REPORT as part of the signed affidavit.

    THE REPORT is too important, and the Cannabis Resistance has made up too much ground for me to say nothing. Acceptance of the group (mass mind-controlled group of fools) means nothing to me. I am not looking for losers to support me or chant my name. I help those who help themselves. I create leaders out of normal men. I create individual heroes. I free people’s minds. The Cannabis Resistance is made up of great men and woman, and that is why those supposedly ‘pro’-Cannabis fake infiltration organisations are not a part of it. We are winners, and we team with winners. THE REPORT is a winner.

    Successful people use THE REPORT to get their charges dropped, not lawyers who will take their money and drop them in the deep end of a shark-infested system, not the press-titutes who are the middlemen of government, not THC experts who know nothing about the Cannabis plant, not the supposedly ‘pro’-Cannabis organisations who are actually pro-government and pro-taxation restriction organisations, and not social media that is controlled by sockpuppets. I personally, on an ethical level, cannot lead masses of people down a path that I know won’t work, demanding money along the way and creating a circus show.

    My advice to the Cannabis Resistance: Follow and support THE REPORT, don’t follow or support any other ideas that historically do not work. That includes lawyers, THC experts, the fake Cannabis infiltration organisations, the media (main stream or social media), or any type of case or suggestion that has already been done where people have lost or it has resulted in taxation and regulation of Cannabis (to the detriment of YOU, the Cannabis end-user).

    My advice to the dagga couple: Lose the lawyers, lose the THC experts, lose the fake Cannabis organisations and lose the consenting adults only restrictions,… or lose the case.

    Of course I am not a lawyer so I cannot give out legal advice. What I can do is give my opinion and show you what I did and what I would do again.

    Enjoy September Smoke Signals.

  • Aegenroth

    What a dick, even if everything J-thang says is true and government regulation is enforced, it will end this merciless hunting of dagga smokers. On the plus side you could then apply for a licence to grow, could you not?
    All this negativity against Jules and Myrtle should be directed at helping their cause for everyone’s benefit, this REPORT only seems to save your own skin.

  • https://btl.co.za/author/admin/ Sticky Scissors

    Yeah… He’s anti-absolutely-everything…

  • PowerPuff

    JollyGreenGiant said:
    BTL trance party…!? All profits to the dagga couple…I’m sure many people would be keen to get involved in something like that…

    …Just an idea…

    Keep up the good fight guys!!

    Peace

    I could provide a venue. I live on a farm and a bunch of friends have farms.

  • PowerPuff

    Oh and ofcourse he will be anti the legalization of marijuana….he’s a fucking dealer the more illegal the more he can charge….

  • littlebopeepDaisy

    love the party idea! done my little bit to support Jules and Myrtle, but we need to get EVERY smoker to support them. they are putting their life on the line for all of us so we need to help where we can. big ups to them and look forward to following them on this potentially huge change for SA.
    peace*

  • mant

    PowerPuff said:
    I could provide a venue. I live on a farm and a bunch of friends have farms.

    u live on a farm u one lucky person i would have fields of doob growing everytwhere 😀

  • PowerPuff

    mant said:
    u live on a farm u one lucky person i would have fields of doob growing everytwhere 😀

    Who says I don’t 😉

  • mant

    PowerPuff said:
    Who says I don’t 😉

    so wheres my invite? i always wanted to see wild doob growing 😀 lol

  • PowerPuff

    Nothing wild about it hahaha I just have many babies….at the moment I’m about to start planting again. 20 bubble bud plants. Then clone them and make a hundred….yeeeeeh. When the beautiful buds start to show ill be throwing a btl locals fiesta!

  • gNOME

    Where is your local

  • mant

    PowerPuff said:
    Nothing wild about it hahaha I just have many babies….at the moment I’m about to start planting again. 20 bubble bud plants. Then clone them and make a hundred….yeeeeeh. When the beautiful buds start to show ill be throwing a btl locals fiesta!

    YEAH BUDDY !!!!!!!!!! 😀

  • gNOME

    I have near 50

  • mant

    gNOME said:
    I have near 50

    YEAH BUDDY 😀

  • PowerPuff

    100 is to start out with broooo. Just to see if I can keep them all tasty. And local meaning the people that contribute to btl a lot. Like you guys. Jollygreen,the admins, etc.

  • http://ashr.net/ ashr

    I love these guys, taking a stand for all of us. I’m sick of the bullshit misconceptions.

  • http://www.weed.co.za lowrider

    Did any of you guys hear the awesome interview last night with Jules, MYrtle, IMiel or were you coupled up in your room smoking zol. Anyway if you did not, it will be loaded soon. Great interview about Munchies and its effects, starting the discussion.

  • Aegenroth

    The only effect of Munchies I know is satisfaction…

  • Djambo

    haha.
    and disappearing food :)

  • PowerPuff

    And MORE MUNCHIES

  • Djambo

    haha

  • http://partyinthegallows.wordpress.com Narique

    Disgusted by Steve the drug addict who actually can’t comprehend that “the law is not based on empirical evidence”.

    Children who only smoke dagga are in pain because the babylon system stifles their freedom of expression, inhibits their access to quality edutainment and encourages indoctrination by means of pop music, the news and secularised religion.

    He is blaming the substance and not the CONSCIOUS HUMAN, so it is fair to say that he is not taking responsibility for ACTIVELY F CKING UP HIS OWN LIFE.

    Secondly, that radio presenter lead the interview with his own ignorance-infested bias – he doesn’t overstand the Dagga Couple’s issue in the slightest, so how is he meant to set the stage for a sensible debate? Eish.

  • PowerPuff

    Plus rep for you bro. Really good post! Respect. Hit the nail on the head with another nail.

  • Dyl

    Hey there, I am very impressed that someone is finally taking a stand, all the facts are there… Weed is not a drug, it is natural and if anything prevents violence rather than provoking it!

  • littlebopeepDaisy

    The latest on the Dagga Couple (for those who don’t know).
    I get their email updates:
    “In one week’s time, on the 12th October, we hand in papers to the Pretoria High Court serving summons on the SA Govt. The various departments have 20 days reply to our claims that parts of the 1992 Drugs and Drug Trafficking Act are unlawful, unconstitutional, outdated and an infringement of our Human Rights.
    The next step will be for the ‘powers that be’ (and opposition groups) to defend their laws against our charges. This will happen in the High Court with the view to deciding the “Constitutionality” of the matter. If they decide that our charges are invalid, we will be sent back to the Magistrate’s Court to stand trial. If our charges stick, the Constitutional Court is the next step.
    There is the possibility that they bog us down in a bureaucratic quagmire because the case is such a hot potato. We know that this has happened to others who have tried the long and weary path to the highest court in the land. We are very aware that contentious cases can just fizzle out along the way.
    We are not going to let that happen, though. Our lawyers have stated more than once that they will chase every deadline along the way.
    Our legal team is upbeat and we are working hard to learn the pitfalls of the system. We get the feeling that they really want this case to go all the way because as anti-prohibitionists, they really want to see a change in the laws of the land.
    One other scenario is in the mix too. Maybe they just drop the case….it’s possible that the State just doesn’t want to face the fight because they know their defense cannot come up with any evidence that Dagga should be a schedule one drug, that it’s harmful to us and society and there is no medicinal value to the plant whatsoever. If this happens then we would never be able to challenge the courts again in this matter, BUT, then it’s cool for everyone to have a stash of Dagga in their attic. Because we are trying to get this case as high profile as we possibly can, it’s unlikely they will go this route, but it’s still possible.
    By Christmas we’ll hopefully know what direction we will be going in. All of it sends shivers down our spines as it’s not cool being in the dock, even at Magistrate’s Court level. It won’t be any less scary in the dock of the High Court.
    The most important part of this whole journey is that we are telling the truth. We are not trying to sneak our way out of anything and get the charges dropped (we’ve had ample opportunity to do so in the last year). We smoke dagga, we had it in our house and we’re guilty in the eyes of the law. It’s just that we KNOW that the law is unlawful.
    As next year unfolds we will be looking for expert witnesses in the medical, agricultural and law enforcement fields to state under oath that the Dagga laws are outdated, racist and unjust. This is our greatest challenge because there are no real SA academic experts on the subject. There haven’t been any studies done in SA because it’s all so illegal. Eish! Big catch 22.
    So, we are looking abroad for our experts and then our costs go up to get these people here to testify. The difference between anecdotal and empirical evidence is all important here.
    Video is inadmissable, so is a pdf file of ‘cannabis cures cancer’, for example. Each piece of evidence we submit needs to be backed up by expert witnesses. The judge wants experts in the flesh to state their knowledge, and to be cross examined. There is no way the State is going to make this easy for us.
    However, we are heartened by the progress many countries around the world are making on the medical and social aspects of Dagga. Prohibition’s days are numbered as legislation is challenged across the globe.
    What we really need is a truly great, strong and courageous leader to take the bull by the horns, throw caution to the wind and legalize Dagga. Not only in SA but Swaziland and Lesotho as well. This great plant can ultimately help us and our neighbours to enhance our standards of living, produce a cash crop, feed livestock, make clothes, build houses and make Southern Africa an economic powerhouse the world will look up to.
    Come on South African law makers. Do the right thing…..the writing is on the wall. Be courageous, RE-LEGALISE this plant and make South Africa a world leader…..”

  • https://btl.co.za/author/admin/ Sticky Scissors

    Thanks for the update daisy :)

  • http://www.weed.co.za lowrider

    An interview with Jules and Myrtle.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5hb3hUq-zI

  • stefan

    daisy plz keep me update plz ..stefancoetzee123@gmail.com

  • Buzz

    usertest1 said:
    daisy plz keep me update plz ..stefancoetzee123@gmail.com

    There’s a subscribe to news letter option on there website http://daggacouple.co.za/

    Thank you for the update Littlebo.

  • littlebopeepDaisy

    alternativley, Stefan, you could donate some cash to their cause and they then put you on the mailing list….R100 bucks is so worth what they doing for us!!

  • phototropism

    littlebopeepDaisy said:
    alternativley, Stefan, you could donate some cash to their cause and they then put you on the mailing list….R100 bucks is so worth what they doing for us!!

    think thats the best plan!

  • Buzz

    Update from Dagga Couple’s FB page this morning

    “Papers being served in the Pretoria High Court this morning. The opposition (government) have 20 working days to respond to our charges that laws prohibiting the use, cultivation & trading of Dagga are irrational & unconstitutional. Everything’s on track our side and the papers that we served today will be published on our website as soon as we have them. Viva Dagga Couple supporters, Viva!!!”

  • Aegenroth

    Very anxious to see what will happen! I hope they don’t beat around the bush with the answer, that’s all the government seems to have a knack for. Apart from corruption, that is.

  • Buzz
  • Buzz

    An update from The Dagga Couple’s FB page.

    “Bingo! Just heard that 6 of the 7 gov departments have filed their intention to oppose. The ministry of Trade and Industry will not oppose, they will abide by the decision of the court. The other 6 have 20 days from the 8th of Nov to file their plea. This means that they have to let us know the grounds for their opposition. That deadline is the 5th of Dec. They probably won’t meet the dealine but …we have papers ready to give them another 5 days after that. This brings us to 12th of Dec, just before the court closes on the 15th til the 15th of Jan. Once we know the grounds of the opposition we can start preparing the actual case in the new year. The most important part of this is gathering our expert witnesses. This will be the most expensive part of the procedure so your continued support is greatly appreciated. We feel very relieved to be able to share some progress!”

    Keep you eyes peeled for a follow up DC interview coming to BTL soon:)

  • DirtyRhasta

    They need to see the support tho, next year on the 20th of april we need to mobilize everyone who cares aboutpreserving our freedom and overcoming unjust laws. The time has come to free the herb and spread it”s love. Most eyri

  • Mahomed

    I am all for legalizing marijuana. No one is saying sell it to children. Regulate it by all means, but legalise it. That way the country can generate revenue, the criminal element associated with marijuana disdribution and use would be eliminated and come on now, this is democracy we live in. An adult should have a right to decide for himself what is good for him / her. I am a law abiding, productive member of the community. BUT unfortunately because of my views on / use of marijuana, I am called a CRIMINAL. I use marijuana and not abuse it. I am sorry you may call me whatever you like, but I am not a criminal. I smoke cigarettes, which unlike marijuana, are definitely harmful and VERY ADDICTIVE. Marijuana is not addictive. I smoke it when I feel like and if I don’t there is no problem. I do not crave it. I only smoke it occasionally because I LIKE to, and that is since I was 17. I am now 53. I haven’t progressed to stronger “stuff”, so claims of marijuana being a “gateway” drug are unfounded. The main reason why people move on to stronger drugs is because marijuana is bulky and has a strong smell which is difficult to miss. The only reason people move to other drugs like mandrax, cocaine etc. is because these are odourless, easy to conceal are far stronger than (BUT EXTREMELY HARMFUL), and the best part is they are now freely available on every street corner in South Africa. Come on now you BIG WIGS, that decide, what is good for me and what is not, legalise the humbly all natural plant, which has great medicinal value as well. Smoke a joint before you decide:) unless you too scared you might “hooked” after your first toke…

  • PowerPuff

    Awesome post man! Spread the word!

  • http://yahoo Cheese

    Thanks to the best couple around. I’m so glad we are finaly pushing trwe to the goverment. Who are they to tell me a inocent citezin I am not alowd to smoke somthin growing nuturaly out of the ground and causes no harm what so ever. Proven from all the best docters in the world that are studying canibbis for year. The goverment export sigaretts wich kills thousands a year! So who is actualy more corupt? Goverment that kills thousands of canibbis that hasent killed one sole on this planet. They are waisting so much money for somthing just getting stronger. And I don’t even wanne get started with the benifits our country wil have if it would have been legal.. Massive yearly income for SA and a huge work market wil be astblished for those with out work. Meaning less crime, and more time to focus on stuff that really gets to SA.. For instens Tik, Heroin, Cocain blaaa blaaa blaaa.. All I now is its a waist of time and money goverment. make some money instead. Peace

  • mant

    doesn’t matter if the government is corrupt or not they will do what they want and not work for the people. look at America they’ll start wars and there own people want the troops home but they delay it why because they do wat they want when they want, they legalize weed in some states and yet the feds can still nab u. governments do what they want and 1 person wont change that. you need the community to speak up but they wont they to scared!

    “We know things are bad – worse than bad. They’re crazy. It’s like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don’t go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, ‘Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won’t say anything. Just leave us alone.

    Well, I’m not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! I don’t want you to protest. I don’t want you to riot – I don’t want you to write to your congressman because I wouldn’t know what to tell you to write. I don’t know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first you’ve got to get mad. You’ve got to say, ‘I’m a HUMAN BEING, God damn it! My life has VALUE!’ So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, ‘I’M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!’ I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell – ‘I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore!’ Things have got to change. But first, you’ve gotta get mad!… You’ve got to say, ‘I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not going to take this anymore!’ Then we’ll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: “I’M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!”

  • TheGreenComposer

    Hey everyone…has anybody seen this J-Thang site? http://www.j-thang.co.za

    How can this site exist?

  • etok411

    TheGreenComposer said:
    Hey everyone…has anybody seen this J-Thang site? http://www.j-thang.co.za

    How can this site exist?

    They been around for awhile, its finaly growing now.

  • TheGreenComposer

    etok411 said:
    They been around for awhile, its finaly growing now.

    That’s great news…

    I urge everyone to assist The Dagga Couple in their cause…it’s for the best for us all!
    They have a great info package that’s doing the rounds right now, copy the DVD and share the info as much as you can!

    Thanks guys…

    Light & Love
    TGC

  • etok411

    when is this going to go further? it seems to be at a stand still for several months now, i thought the ball would be rolling by now

  • MagicAttack

    Hey everyone…has anybody seen this J-Thang site? http://www.j-thang.co.za

    How can this site exist? I must say I’m all for the freedom of speech and legalising weed but what they are doing is just wrong….seed wise they don’t look like they gonna be winning any cannabis cups I have friends who have created strains with better flowering times than 90% of there seeds, and selling ganja makes make you a dealer so people can say what they want but my opinion is they do more harm than good. Remember its not just the marijuana law they breaking but I’m pretty sure they aren’t paying income tax either which makes them criminal watever way you look at it……

  • etok411

    No offense but kak response! What u doing on here then? Why do you smoke weed? Its illegal and that makes u a criminal to. I have bought seeds from them and everything was spot on, the price was reasonable, service was excellent and the delivery was quick and well packaged. I had a tester of their royal blue thai that im growing out door and its better than most indoor available today plus my plant has many more weeks till harvest. Sorry if i seem rude to u MA but if u using him for whatever atleast he is a safe realible source off the streets. Something like this can grow in the future

  • MagicAttack

    I can tell you what I’m not doing on here is selling weed which is what they do….I’m all about self empowerment….Etok that might be fine for outdoor if you don’t mind waiting 13-14 weeks to flower….indoor it doesn’t make any sense especially if you can get strains like cheese that flower in 7-8 week, anyways I digress…and I didn’t call them a criminal for smoking weed what people choose to grow and smoke is there choice but the dude is openly selling marijuana making it into a business.And he is not paying tax on any of that I mean do the math if you where offering the whole of sa weed how many customers you think he has …dude if I had to choose between a chocolope,cheese,la confidential,g bomb,etc or royal thai blue the choise for me is pretty easy specially since I grow indoors and would never grow anything with a 13-14 week flower time

  • MagicAttack

    Maybe admins should move the discussion as to not hijack this thread

  • mant

    lol this forum still the same! people arguing over bullshit!! i just gotta lol

  • MagicAttack

    Mmmmm I would tend to disagree as I in no way think Etok or myself are argueing but having a healthy debate expressing our difference of opinion in a controlled and calm manner. In fact I think he has some valid points.

  • TheGreenComposer

    Hey guys,

    I brought the j-thang here thing up as a legal question seeing as the Dagga Couple are busy with their own legal battle, I thought it would be appropriate on this thread…I apologize, I didn’t want to or mean to hijack The Dagga Couple’s thread.

    Myrtle, Jules…you guys…are awesome, all I can say. Respect…

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  • cheryl

    Just got a criminal record for a roach found in my car!! I AM NO CRIMINAL, but had to spend a night in jail.Only way out..sign an admission of guilt,pay R100 and now can’t find work,can’t immigrate. What am I to do now? Become a criminal??!

  • Aubrey John DeBliquy

    To all the victims of THIS HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION.

    Article two and three of the universal Declaration of Human Rights proclaims our right to life and to equality before the law irrespective of ethnicity, gender, religion or nationality.

    No lesser law, subject to such a constitution can remove that right without due process of the facts which now indicate a global network of lies effectively inspired by racists and imperialists spanning around a century.

    When this all filters through every person criminalised for this will have his record expunged retrospectively and an apology in exchange for immunity to the perpetrators.

    I am sure most of us just want to get on with the challenge of being the best human beings we can and perhaps along the way make this world a better place for all mankind.

    The truth will out and there are going to be a lot of angry, well meaning people from the top of government to the man in the street in welfare and health and executive who are not going to take kindly to the knowledge that their hardline position has been more or less based on a concerted and protracted and concious campaign of misinformation and lies over the last hundred years from Washington to London to Etc… And as more and more people now know, this is based on the public record and not some conspiracy. The greatest conspiracies need no secrecy because they are accorded that by public incredulity.

    Future generations will consider us primitive in this regard.
    Current generations already do.

  • Aubrey John DeBliquy

    Does anyone even know that Dr Margaret Dreher’s report, commisioned by USA Congress for Richard Nixon, and arguably one of the few rigourous scholarly studies to date, found Cannabis smoking mothers had healthier babies and Morroccan men whose only visible distinguishing feature seems to be their smoking habits, outlive their femal counterparts by as much as ten years compared to the world average?

  • Twak

    I did not know it.. but is also not surprised to read it.. Nice find, thanks for sharing :)

  • DZK88

    Nice to know!

  • Tania

    listened to that soundcloud clip… cannot possibly explain how annoyed and frustrated I was with Steve Hamilton. He’s rude, he didnt let Jules and Myrtle speak or counter his argument, he interrupted constantly, spoke over them, had his say but gave no one a chance to have their say. Live at let live bro. Stop hating on those that can handle themselves just because YOU f@cked up. YOU, with YOUR choices and YOUR actions. I know I’m super late on the band-wagon, but this is the first time I heard this interview and was too annoyed to let it go.

  • IFarmSuperWeed

    Does anyone know, like an estimate, as to when weed will be legal if they are succesful?

  • Thabo Tikoane

    Thanks a lot Martle n Jules to take a lead in fighting for freedom of cannabis in our life time,youth of Johannesburg is giving you guys 100% support

  • kappa52

    you guys are just about everything we south african stoners ever needed,i would like to see it legalized and if its possible have richardsbay involved,its a well growing climate with loadz of stoners,u will defnintly get more people to join the particion

  • Sizwe

    I would like to see the legalization of our HOLLY HERB ,as it is not the herb that is problematic yet it is the “MAN MADE” things that affect our societies negatively and not the TREE OF LIFE,so what you guys are offering is awesome

  • stonersparadise

    And I read sumwher that they are also planning to have the face of their new part “the dagga party” on the ballot paper next year. Hopefully, I’m going to vote for them, yeah GO DP!!!!

  • THOMAS

    HALLO DAGGA COUPLE AM A 20 YEAR OLD MALE SEE THE LIL JAMICA SHOP WITH YOUR FLYIERS I AM WANTING TO HELP IN ANY WAY TO LEGALIZE I WANT TO START MEDICAL MARIJUANA GROWING OR ANY THING OF THE SORT TO HELP DO YOU HAVE ANY FORMS FOR LEGAL GROWING IN SA

  • Dr HTC Booysen

    Good day.
    I have been following your website for some time, and am greatly interrested in Cannabis and its medicinal properties.
    I am also pro legalising cannabis in South Africa, especially for medicinal use.

    I am also a qualified medical doctor and pharmacist, and would like to meet you and see if I can be of help in this cause.
    Also there was to be a criminal convention in Cape Town where you will be speaking.
    Could you give me more details regarding this.

    I hope to hear from you soon.

    Dr Henten Booysen
    Mobile: 072 9453431

  • https://btl.co.za/author/admin/ Sticky Scissors

    There’s also the potential for lots of income for the government. California brings in over 1 Billion dollars of annual tax from medical marijuana… Imagine a hemp farming industry in SA?

  • James

    The government is currently losing SHITLOADS of money fighting the “war on drugs”.

    legalizing wont only bring in tax revenue, but stop draining our valuble resources on fighting a war on stoners.

    so no, they wouldn’t lose money

  • http://www.daggacouple.co.za jules

    Hey power puff, thanks for your support dude, we really appeciate it. http://www.daggacouple.co.za has all the info you need to help out!!
    cheers, Jules DCouple

  • Mr.Valentine

    It’s people like you that bring the peoples hopes down and it’s people like you that are the ones responsible for many battles lost,one of the greatest weapons is moral and you sir are not helping this cause so please if you are just going to respond in such a manner rather don’t respond at all. Thank You.

  • Mr.Valentine

    Good movie,good Idea however kinda illegal to do what they did in that movie but yeah I am sure we can do something to help these guys out.

  • Gamma Goblin

    Put perfectly Mr.Valentine. Any chance for ‘the people’ to change what happens in the way a country is run for the better is an opportunity that needs to be taken. After reading books like ‘1984’ and ‘Brave New World’ I am scared shitless by authorities, and allowing these authorities to stand unopposed will only bring those predicted futures closer to our reality. The illegality of cannabis is too obviously wrong for us to allow.

  • https://btl.co.za/author/admin/ Sticky Scissors

    fingers crossed that this doesn’t get thrown out ><

  • Mahomed

    Well said friend. Lets us hope something materialises. Any help from me, please feel free to contact me.

  • http://Www.baransinc-sa.co.za Dylan

    Thank you for all your effort for what you are doing for millions of us in this country. Its great to see so much support from so many diffirent cultures. We as a society live in a country that is outdated with old useless information and cannot prove even 1 case that directly linked marijuana to any causes of death. Quite simply marijuana has been banned because the government simply hasnt got the slightest interest in doing research to prove its beneficial properties (proving to the public once and for all that there simply is no harmful effects on ones psyche), only health benifits for various illnesses, already shown to improve from the use is eating/smoking na.

    I fully support your views and am a firm believer of marijuana being used to further medical breakthroughs and heal patients who simply cannot use chemical medications anymore. I suffer from various pain and marijuana has helped me to cope with everday pain and has helped me to recover better than any pharmaceutical medication could.

    Big up’s to ‘Myrtle & Jules’. You have all our support and are doing an awesome service to fellow tokers.

    Thanks guys!!!!

  • http://Www.baransinc-sa.co.za Dylan

    Grow up

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